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	<title>Comments on: Wholegrains, whole foods and health: where does the science end and the philosophy begin?</title>
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		<title>By: Bill Shrapnel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Shrapnel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2013 22:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steve. I wouldn&#039;t blame the average dietitian. Those at the top set the agenda. 
Carbohydrate quality is a real challenge - there are various elements to it that need to be considered together. Problems arise when nutritionists attempt to simplify it down to, say, sugar-bad or wholegrain-good. Quite obviously some foods with added sugars are quite nutritious and some wholegrain foods have a high GI. A colleague and I tried to move this argument along when we developed a model for discriminating between carbohydrate-rich foods (see elsewhere in this blog). Regards, Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve. I wouldn&#8217;t blame the average dietitian. Those at the top set the agenda.<br />
Carbohydrate quality is a real challenge &#8211; there are various elements to it that need to be considered together. Problems arise when nutritionists attempt to simplify it down to, say, sugar-bad or wholegrain-good. Quite obviously some foods with added sugars are quite nutritious and some wholegrain foods have a high GI. A colleague and I tried to move this argument along when we developed a model for discriminating between carbohydrate-rich foods (see elsewhere in this blog). Regards, Bill</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Bergman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Bergman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2013 10:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Healthy Whole Grains&quot; are almost invariably lumped together inappropriately. I was reading on WebMD an article by an RD criticizing glycemic index because, while white and whole wheat flours have similar GI values, the whole wheat flour is &quot;obviously&quot; the better option. My question is &quot;why is it obviously better?&quot;. If it slams your glucose just as badly as Wonder Bread, why should it get a free pass? It shouldn&#039;t. There&#039;s no such thing as edible whole wheat. With e.g. barley, we get a truly intact grain with a layer of hard-to-digest bran encapsulating the starch. With wheat flour (white or whole) we have a pile of finely ground mostly-starch, with a small amount of fiber powder mixed in. A little more fiber powder in the case of the whole wheat flour. But it&#039;s still dwarfed by the volume of starch. And that&#039;s supposed to protect us from a flood of glucose... how, exactly? From the standpoint of our glycemic health, whole wheat flour has more in common with table sugar than with barley, or even oats.

I used to admire and trust RD&#039;s. But the more I learn, and the more nonsense I hear RD&#039;s spouting, the less admiration I have for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Healthy Whole Grains&#8221; are almost invariably lumped together inappropriately. I was reading on WebMD an article by an RD criticizing glycemic index because, while white and whole wheat flours have similar GI values, the whole wheat flour is &#8220;obviously&#8221; the better option. My question is &#8220;why is it obviously better?&#8221;. If it slams your glucose just as badly as Wonder Bread, why should it get a free pass? It shouldn&#8217;t. There&#8217;s no such thing as edible whole wheat. With e.g. barley, we get a truly intact grain with a layer of hard-to-digest bran encapsulating the starch. With wheat flour (white or whole) we have a pile of finely ground mostly-starch, with a small amount of fiber powder mixed in. A little more fiber powder in the case of the whole wheat flour. But it&#8217;s still dwarfed by the volume of starch. And that&#8217;s supposed to protect us from a flood of glucose&#8230; how, exactly? From the standpoint of our glycemic health, whole wheat flour has more in common with table sugar than with barley, or even oats.</p>
<p>I used to admire and trust RD&#8217;s. But the more I learn, and the more nonsense I hear RD&#8217;s spouting, the less admiration I have for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Sheldrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Sheldrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To your penultiimate paragraph, I can only say &quot;Amen,&quot; notwithstanding that that in itself is not so scientific. Bad science has been rife for decades in &quot;nutrition science.&quot; I only hope that bad science, like bad money, inevitably chases out the good.

Apropos of your comments on the cultural values we (or marketeers) try to implant in the word &quot;Whole,&quot; I have just finished a marvelous book entitled, &quot;The Omnivorous Mind,&quot; by John S. Allen, a &quot;neuroanthropologist&quot;. at the University of Southern California. This book is a tour-de-force, treating the effects of food on the mind, and on  our cultural values and behavior. 

Your observations would fit right into the schema of his book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To your penultiimate paragraph, I can only say &#8220;Amen,&#8221; notwithstanding that that in itself is not so scientific. Bad science has been rife for decades in &#8220;nutrition science.&#8221; I only hope that bad science, like bad money, inevitably chases out the good.</p>
<p>Apropos of your comments on the cultural values we (or marketeers) try to implant in the word &#8220;Whole,&#8221; I have just finished a marvelous book entitled, &#8220;The Omnivorous Mind,&#8221; by John S. Allen, a &#8220;neuroanthropologist&#8221;. at the University of Southern California. This book is a tour-de-force, treating the effects of food on the mind, and on  our cultural values and behavior. </p>
<p>Your observations would fit right into the schema of his book.</p>
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