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		<title>By: Bill Shrapnel</title>
		<link>http://scepticalnutritionist.com.au/?p=1599#comment-3441</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Shrapnel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2015 05:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s face it Kevo, most of the people making dietary recommendations these days don&#039;t have relevant qualifications. Mind you, they all seem to have good noses for business. Regards, Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s face it Kevo, most of the people making dietary recommendations these days don&#8217;t have relevant qualifications. Mind you, they all seem to have good noses for business. Regards, Bill</p>
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		<title>By: Kevo</title>
		<link>http://scepticalnutritionist.com.au/?p=1599#comment-3434</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2015 13:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The principals named in http://lowcarbdownunder.com.au/about-us-contact/ do not appear to have research qualifications in the area of diet.  I wonder what reputable, peer reviewed, randomly selected large sample studies using control groups have been undertaken to establish the low carb, high fat and protein recommendations of this group.  If such studies have been done, why would this group not refer to them?  Why did Dr. Demasi (who, we understand, has a PhD) not outline them in her program?  Was it because she under pressure to file her copy by some deadline?

Simply bashing established diet guidelines of the Heart Foundation and Diabetes Australia by assertions unsupported by well researched evidence, is just not good enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The principals named in <a href="http://lowcarbdownunder.com.au/about-us-contact/" rel="nofollow">http://lowcarbdownunder.com.au/about-us-contact/</a> do not appear to have research qualifications in the area of diet.  I wonder what reputable, peer reviewed, randomly selected large sample studies using control groups have been undertaken to establish the low carb, high fat and protein recommendations of this group.  If such studies have been done, why would this group not refer to them?  Why did Dr. Demasi (who, we understand, has a PhD) not outline them in her program?  Was it because she under pressure to file her copy by some deadline?</p>
<p>Simply bashing established diet guidelines of the Heart Foundation and Diabetes Australia by assertions unsupported by well researched evidence, is just not good enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Shrapnel</title>
		<link>http://scepticalnutritionist.com.au/?p=1599#comment-3422</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Shrapnel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2015 20:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Kari. Every authoritative health organisation in the world favours unsaturated fats over saturated fat. What is the source or your doubt?? Regards, Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Kari. Every authoritative health organisation in the world favours unsaturated fats over saturated fat. What is the source or your doubt?? Regards, Bill</p>
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		<title>By: K</title>
		<link>http://scepticalnutritionist.com.au/?p=1599#comment-3399</link>
		<dc:creator>K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2015 02:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that optimal baby food is not necessarily the same as optimal adult food. 

I am not in any LCHF camp. I think it would very difficult for most people to meet nutrient needs adequately by such means (adequate micronutrients, as well as the carbohydrates themselves). I have read a good many anecdotes of people who seemed to get benefit from low carb diets in the short term (eg 3-18 mths), but got worsened health in the longer term (often including reduced metabolism, as predicted by Dr Atkins). I suspect that there are many studies showing short term apparently beneficial changes in some particular risk markers, and in some symptoms. I doubt that there are rigorous long term studies showing LCHF to be beneficial over moderate or high carb diets that meet other nutritional needs for protein, minerals and vitamins.  None-the-less, I can imagine that there might be individual exceptions where long term lowish carb may be useful, if their carbohydrate metabolism is already irrevocably deranged.  

But I am not convinced that the evidence supports (poly- or mono-) unsaturated fats over saturated fats.
In fact, one of the many difficulties I see in a LCHF diet is that it is difficult to avoid excessive unsaturated fats on a high fat diet, even if you mostly eat relatively saturated fat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that optimal baby food is not necessarily the same as optimal adult food. </p>
<p>I am not in any LCHF camp. I think it would very difficult for most people to meet nutrient needs adequately by such means (adequate micronutrients, as well as the carbohydrates themselves). I have read a good many anecdotes of people who seemed to get benefit from low carb diets in the short term (eg 3-18 mths), but got worsened health in the longer term (often including reduced metabolism, as predicted by Dr Atkins). I suspect that there are many studies showing short term apparently beneficial changes in some particular risk markers, and in some symptoms. I doubt that there are rigorous long term studies showing LCHF to be beneficial over moderate or high carb diets that meet other nutritional needs for protein, minerals and vitamins.  None-the-less, I can imagine that there might be individual exceptions where long term lowish carb may be useful, if their carbohydrate metabolism is already irrevocably deranged.  </p>
<p>But I am not convinced that the evidence supports (poly- or mono-) unsaturated fats over saturated fats.<br />
In fact, one of the many difficulties I see in a LCHF diet is that it is difficult to avoid excessive unsaturated fats on a high fat diet, even if you mostly eat relatively saturated fat.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Shrapnel</title>
		<link>http://scepticalnutritionist.com.au/?p=1599#comment-3232</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Shrapnel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2015 03:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Simon. Dairy Australia funded Gary Taubes visit to Australia a couple of years ago. Not sure whether Big Dairy has funded Taubes&#039; work though. It is tempting to think that the same force is pushing both Gary Taubes and Robert Lustig along. They seem to hold each other in high regard (they quote each other); there are commonalities to their stories; and neither has a career in nutrition science constraining their opinions. Hmmm.
Regards, Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Simon. Dairy Australia funded Gary Taubes visit to Australia a couple of years ago. Not sure whether Big Dairy has funded Taubes&#8217; work though. It is tempting to think that the same force is pushing both Gary Taubes and Robert Lustig along. They seem to hold each other in high regard (they quote each other); there are commonalities to their stories; and neither has a career in nutrition science constraining their opinions. Hmmm.<br />
Regards, Bill</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Shrapnel</title>
		<link>http://scepticalnutritionist.com.au/?p=1599#comment-3231</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Shrapnel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2015 03:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Simon. I&#039;m not surprised by this. When those controversial Catalyst programs went to air it was obvious to me that there was a commercial  interest driving it along. These programs had all the tell-tale signs. It had to be an industry producing a lot of saturated fat, which boils down to one of four major industries - dairy, meat, palm oil and coconut oil. 
I actually put it directly to dairy industry representatives that they could be behind it, but they said no. 
The meat industry is a bit more responsible than this (in Australia) and I imagined that the coconut oil industry was too fragmented to mount such a sophisticated public relation exercise. So I pointed the finger at the palm oil industry, but they put their hands up and said &#039;not us&#039;.
There is no doubt that the dairy people have been quietly pushing the issue along. But to my surprise, most of the push seems to be coming from coconut oil interests. You will have noticed that the &#039;saturated fat is OK message&#039; is also paired with the &#039;eat less carbohydrate&#039; message which is also paired with &#039;eat more coconut oil&#039;.  A cluster of messages from the same group of people.
It&#039;s commerce, not nutrition science. Regards, Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Simon. I&#8217;m not surprised by this. When those controversial Catalyst programs went to air it was obvious to me that there was a commercial  interest driving it along. These programs had all the tell-tale signs. It had to be an industry producing a lot of saturated fat, which boils down to one of four major industries &#8211; dairy, meat, palm oil and coconut oil.<br />
I actually put it directly to dairy industry representatives that they could be behind it, but they said no.<br />
The meat industry is a bit more responsible than this (in Australia) and I imagined that the coconut oil industry was too fragmented to mount such a sophisticated public relation exercise. So I pointed the finger at the palm oil industry, but they put their hands up and said &#8216;not us&#8217;.<br />
There is no doubt that the dairy people have been quietly pushing the issue along. But to my surprise, most of the push seems to be coming from coconut oil interests. You will have noticed that the &#8216;saturated fat is OK message&#8217; is also paired with the &#8216;eat less carbohydrate&#8217; message which is also paired with &#8216;eat more coconut oil&#8217;.  A cluster of messages from the same group of people.<br />
It&#8217;s commerce, not nutrition science. Regards, Bill</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://scepticalnutritionist.com.au/?p=1599#comment-3166</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2015 08:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also Dairy Australia are rumored to have funded or part funded Gary Taubes controversial &quot;Good calories, Bad calories&quot;  and have links to it on their website and I have managed to find a brief on their website 
http://www.dairyaustralia.com.au/Standard-Items/Media-Releases/Why-we-get-fat.aspx
Notice the letterhead has &quot;Your Levy at Work&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also Dairy Australia are rumored to have funded or part funded Gary Taubes controversial &#8220;Good calories, Bad calories&#8221;  and have links to it on their website and I have managed to find a brief on their website<br />
<a href="http://www.dairyaustralia.com.au/Standard-Items/Media-Releases/Why-we-get-fat.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.dairyaustralia.com.au/Standard-Items/Media-Releases/Why-we-get-fat.aspx</a><br />
Notice the letterhead has &#8220;Your Levy at Work&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2015 08:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill have you seen this video.  Which basically blames the dairy industry.

http://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-saturated-fat-studies-buttering-up-the-public/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill have you seen this video.  Which basically blames the dairy industry.</p>
<p><a href="http://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-saturated-fat-studies-buttering-up-the-public/" rel="nofollow">http://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-saturated-fat-studies-buttering-up-the-public/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bill Shrapnel</title>
		<link>http://scepticalnutritionist.com.au/?p=1599#comment-3130</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Shrapnel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2015 04:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ron
What I said was that &quot;... many low carb advocates recommend replacing carbohydrate with saturated fat, which has no logical basis in nutrition science and will result in higher lipid-related risk than the CSIRO approach.&quot;
The key reference for the first part of the sentence is Jakobsen MU et al. Am J Clin Nutr. 2009 May;89(5):1425-32. The key reference for the second part is Mensink R et al. Am J Clin Nutr. 2003 May;77(5):1146-55.
Regards, Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ron<br />
What I said was that &#8220;&#8230; many low carb advocates recommend replacing carbohydrate with saturated fat, which has no logical basis in nutrition science and will result in higher lipid-related risk than the CSIRO approach.&#8221;<br />
The key reference for the first part of the sentence is Jakobsen MU et al. Am J Clin Nutr. 2009 May;89(5):1425-32. The key reference for the second part is Mensink R et al. Am J Clin Nutr. 2003 May;77(5):1146-55.<br />
Regards, Bill</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Shrapnel</title>
		<link>http://scepticalnutritionist.com.au/?p=1599#comment-3129</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Shrapnel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2015 04:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need some references to support your claims Robin. Regards, Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need some references to support your claims Robin. Regards, Bill</p>
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